+- Joe Martin -- 21d ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Really enjoyed this conversion with | | nostr:nprofile1qqsfln36agetx43hsw8mgkm4hce9j46zu94m8er59nyzhv74p7gg0espz4mhxue69uhkzem8wghxummnw3ezumrpdejqzrthwden5 | | te0dehhxtnvdakqh5ndv8 . | | | | I wanted to be honest about how I see the #V4V scene vs where I imagined things would be by now when I first stepped | | into this over 3 years ago. | | | | Why are people so resistant to giving this idea a try? And why do most people who do, leave after a short period of | | time? | | | | Is it about improving the tech/ onboaring for artists and listeners, or is it about more education? | | | | Does bitcoin and nostr have a branding problem that needs to be abstracted away for most nontechnical users to | | finally start adopting it? | | | | Are the quirky terms like 'valueforvalue' and 'boosting' leaving people with more questions than answers? | | | | I don't have the answers, but it's hard to look around and say 'we're winning' when users are down, zaps are down | | and people that come into the ecosystem disappear within a short space of time. | | | | I'm still here because I believe in the underlying tech and principles of the idea but it's hard to see how this | | starts to get mass adoption without things being radically simplified. Maybe folks don't want mass adoption either | | and are happy for the valueverse to stay as a niche community which is fine, but we should be honest about that. | | | | Trust me when I say, I'm never going back to just releasing music on all the old platforms. But we need some new | | blood around here, and artists ARE looking for this, they just don't know it yet. How do we get people fired up | | about this? | | | | Hope this podcast gets the discussion moving | | | | Leave some thoughts in the comments ✌️ | | | | | | nostr:nevent1qqsqcy84kpa3hykp3ygsyzgywm73g3nzk0glatr62atkye0xurwl7cqzyz0uuwh2x2e4vdur3769kad7xfv4wshpdwe7gapveq4m84g | | 0jzr7vqcyqqqqqqghd5s7r | | | +-- reply --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Really enjoyed this conversion with nostr:nprofile1qqsfln36agetx43hsw8mgkm4hce9j46zu94m8er59nyzhv74p7gg0espz4mhxue69uhkzem8wghxummnw3ezumrpdejqzrthwden5te0dehhxtnvdakqh5ndv8 . I wanted to be honest about how I see the #V4V scene vs where I imagined things would be by now when I first stepped into this over 3 years ago. Why are people so resistant to giving this idea a try? And why do most people who do, leave after a short period of time? Is it about improving the tech/ onboaring for artists and listeners, or is it about more education? Does bitcoin and nostr have a branding problem that needs to be abstracted away for most nontechnical users to finally start adopting it? Are the quirky terms like 'valueforvalue' and 'boosting' leaving people with more questions than answers? I don't have the answers, but it's hard to look around and say 'we're winning' when users are down, zaps are down and people that come into the ecosystem disappear within a short space of time. I'm still here because I believe in the underlying tech and principles of the idea but it's hard to see how this starts to get mass adoption without things being radically simplified. Maybe folks don't want mass adoption either and are happy for the valueverse to stay as a niche community which is fine, but we should be honest about that. Trust me when I say, I'm never going back to just releasing music on all the old platforms. But we need some new blood around here, and artists ARE looking for this, they just don't know it yet. How do we get people fired up about this? Hope this podcast gets the discussion moving Leave some thoughts in the comments ✌️ nostr:nevent1qqsqcy84kpa3hykp3ygsyzgywm73g3nzk0glatr62atkye0xurwl7cqzyz0uuwh2x2e4vdur3769kad7xfv4wshpdwe7gapveq4m84g0jzr7vqcyqqqqqqghd5s7r
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Really enjoyed this conversion withnostr:nprofile1qqsfln36agetx43hsw8mgkm4hce9j46zu94m8er59nyzhv74p7gg0espz4mhxue69uhkzem8wghxummnw3ezumrpdejqzrthwden5te0dehhxtnvdakqh5ndv8 .I wanted to be honest about how I see the #V4V scene vs where I imagined things would be by now when I firststepped into this over 3 years ago.Why are people so resistant to giving this idea a try? And why do most people who do, leave after a short periodof time?Is it about improving the tech/ onboaring for artists and listeners, or is it about more education?Does bitcoin and nostr have a branding problem that needs to be abstracted away for most nontechnical users tofinally start adopting it?Are the quirky terms like 'valueforvalue' and 'boosting' leaving people with more questions than answers?I don't have the answers, but it's hard to look around and say 'we're winning' when users are down, zaps aredown and people that come into the ecosystem disappear within a short space of time.I'm still here because I believe in the underlying tech and principles of the idea but it's hard to see how thisstarts to get mass adoption without things being radically simplified. Maybe folks don't want mass adoptioneither and are happy for the valueverse to stay as a niche community which is fine, but we should be honestabout that.Trust me when I say, I'm never going back to just releasing music on all the old platforms. But we need some newblood around here, and artists ARE looking for this, they just don't know it yet. How do we get people fired upabout this?Hope this podcast gets the discussion movingLeave some thoughts in the comments ✌️nostr:nevent1qqsqcy84kpa3hykp3ygsyzgywm73g3nzk0glatr62atkye0xurwl7cqzyz0uuwh2x2e4vdur3769kad7xfv4wshpdwe7gapveq4m84g0jzr7vqcyqqqqqqghd5s7r
That won’t wash off easily.
shitcoins and NFTs have also screwed things up badly. V4V is a pure model with no catches or expectations. It isthe only reason I feel comfortable promoting this idea. To people that don't fully understand what I'm talkingabout, they think I'm being scammy somehow. It's sad
Why do they think you are being fraudulent? Do you have any theories?
Years of pump-and-dump scams and rugpulls and you ask this question.
Hold on a second, I'm not talking about NFT, I'm talking about V4V. What does one thing have to do with theother? What would make someone think V4V is a scam and confuse it with NFT? Again, I asked Joe. Why do theythink you would be deceiving them?
Because in their minds, bitcoin, crypto, web3, NFTs, and scams are all interchangeable. “Value for value” is ameaningless term to them.
In this case, we have a range of information. An education problem, and a platform problem. It's great toreceive in satoshi, but that shouldn't be the rule on Nostr. We already have a gap to be filled. The fan wantsto pay and receive the product, right? If this is resolved, from the artist's and the audience's point of view,the medium makes no difference whatsoever. Afterwards, one can even ask or advise that they work with BTC, butit shouldn't be mandatory. This is a barrier. In my opinion, an opportunity.
I think btc (lightning) being used under the hood is a must for the openness and interoperability aspect. But Ideffo thing default displays can be in fiat. Imagine downloading one of these apps as a listener that has neverinteracted with bitcoin and seeing a default zap of 1000 sats. They'd be like what the hell, how much is that?!*delete
A lot of fiat companies denominate in fiat while using Bitcoin on the backend.Strike being one of them, although they do show BTC as well, but one of their core markets is allowing foreignworkers to send their pay checks back home without the high cost of wire transfer services.
It's more for calculation purposes for newbies. They want to know if they're sending and receiving a dollar, not1000 sats.If the artists choose to keep the sats or cash out is up to them. We're trying to solve the payment issue forartists. Keep it as simple as possibleWe're looking at this from a payments perspective of lightning rather than btc as better savings (that's aseparate conversation)