Pete Winn -- 286d [root] [-]
|    For ideology it does matter who controls your system prompt?
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|    As a quick experiment over coffee this morning I took that last episode of
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|    5wszen64w287nquftkcwcjv7gnnkpk2q54svljnn3 , generated a transcript and ran it through a dialogue agent that runs
|    a 10 round discussion between pre-programmed AI agents around a given prompt.
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|    In this case it was "What is the Underlying Philosophy of Sovereign Engineering based on this discussion between
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|    "
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|    Usually I run most things on Claude 4 Sonnet as it s great general purpose model, but i was surprised at how it
|    seemed to crowbar into the conversation a bunch of AI safety viewpoints and ideologies that aren't necessarily
|    in the source transcript.
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|    So I figured lets change out the model for the dialogue agents to Grok-4 and see what it does instead - does the
|    ideology leak out still? Is it different?
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|    I actually think that Grok 4's first assessment kinda nailed it:
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|    > Sovereign Engineering seems like a mindset or movement for building tech in a way that's deeply
|    human-centered, decentralized, and empowering—think vibing with AI and open protocols like Nostr to create tools
|    that foster freedom, collaboration, and realness without the chains of big tech overlords.
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|    Full summaries from both agents and transcripts are available here:
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|    https://github.com/humansinstitute/everest-pipeliner/wiki/Two-AIs-Analyse-No-Solutions-to-extract-the-Philosophy
|    -of-Sovereign-Engineering
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|    Interesting to see how repeated calls back to agents can lead down a specific pre-programmed ideological path. I
|    think I prefer models with ideologies close to my own, but the alternative is a good echo bubble popper 😉
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|    My guess here is this is more driven by the system prompt / safety layer than the training.
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