+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 817d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | The RoboSats Experimental coordinator entered an scheduled maintainance | | yesterday just as planned 👷♂️ | | | | The stop will take about 1 week. | | | | You know what's cool though? We recently pre-released our decentralized | | (multi-coordinator) client, so you can still use RoboSats. This might be a | | great chance to run some trade of small size in the new coordinators. You can | | simply open dex.robosats.com in Tor Browser :) | | https://image.nostr.build/f03bd2505af6e34d048445ae2ef7e3ad71b41665fa0c7402135f | | 8fa20def368f.jpg#m=image%2Fjpeg&dim=1080x1591&alt=RoboSats+Experimental+mainte | | nancd+stop+notice&blurhash=%5E4Oz0qE100%5E%2B00WBR5RikXtRaxWB00Rj%5E*t6_2ofozb | | HV%40WAj%5Bof00xu%5E%2BIU%7EWj%5BNFxuRkIoxuWB00t7_2Ri%7EWWBNLRkxts%3AR%25of00o | | J%3FbW%3F%5E%2BWB&x=2bdc30abf948c269fbec2db12cd54b010d8dfd320fc1dd90279c2b929b | | 99c079 | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+The RoboSats Experimental coordinator entered an scheduled maintainance yesterday just as planned 👷♂️ The stop will take about 1 week. You know what's cool though? We recently pre-released our decentralized (multi-coordinator) client, so you can still use RoboSats. This might be a great chance to run some trade of small size in the new coordinators. You can simply open dex.robosats.com in Tor Browser :) https://image.nostr.build/f03bd2505af6e34d048445ae2ef7e3ad71b41665fa0c7402135f8fa20def368f.jpg#m=image%2Fjpeg&dim=1080x1591&alt=RoboSats+Experimental+maintenancd+stop+notice&blurhash=%5E4Oz0qE100%5E%2B00WBR5RikXtRaxWB00Rj%5E*t6_2ofozbHV%40WAj%5Bof00xu%5E%2BIU%7EWj%5BNFxuRkIoxuWB00t7_2Ri%7EWWBNLRkxts%3AR%25of00oJ%3FbW%3F%5E%2BWB&x=2bdc30abf948c269fbec2db12cd54b010d8dfd320fc1dd90279c2b929b99c079
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+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 824d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | ⚡ Did you already try the decentralized RoboSats app? It allows you to connect | | with any RoboSats coordinator from your browser over Tor (and from your Umbrel | | / StartOS nodes soon!) | | | | We are hosting the client app for you to try it in: | | robodexarjwtfryec556cjdz3dfa7u47saek6lkftnkgshvgg2kcumqd.onion | | | | You can also use the shortcut https://dex.robosats.com in Tor Browser. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+⚡ Did you already try the decentralized RoboSats app? It allows you to connect with any RoboSats coordinator from your browser over Tor (and from your Umbrel / StartOS nodes soon!) We are hosting the client app for you to try it in: robodexarjwtfryec556cjdz3dfa7u47saek6lkftnkgshvgg2kcumqd.onion You can also use the shortcut https://dex.robosats.com in Tor Browser.
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 921d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | 🤖 RoboSats v0.5.3 is out! 🚀 | | | | 🟠 The main change on this version is the much improved F2F feature by | | @KoalaSat . | | | | The app now allows robots to add a location for face-to-face cash trades. The | | book page will display a map with all F2F orders. | | | | To best protect robots privacy, the exact location of the order is slightly | | randomized (just in case someone is reckless enough to pin their own house!). | | The location is randomized in a radius of ~15 Km. This means it's not possible | | to be precise, and the exact location for the f2f trade can only be shared on | | the encrypted chat. Note that enabling high-resolution maps can leak your IP | | to external tiling servers if you are not using Tor Browser. | | | | Of course, adding a geolocation tag to your order is only useful for | | face-to-face cash payment method. You can completely disregard this feature if | | you do not want to use this payment method. | | | | If you like the amazing work KoalaSat put into this feature you can let him | | know by zapping some Sats to | | nostr:npub1v3tgrwwsv7c6xckyhm5dmluc05jxd4yeqhpxew87chn0kua0tjzqc6yvjh 🔥🚀 | | | | https://github.com/RoboSats/robosats/releases/tag/v0.5.3-alpha | | | | https://image.nostr.build/0bd41ed7f33a99eb222172f23e31ac9629d41393d4bc980a54ad | | f8d208f4e52d.jpg | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+🤖 RoboSats v0.5.3 is out! 🚀 🟠 The main change on this version is the much improved F2F feature by @KoalaSat . The app now allows robots to add a location for face-to-face cash trades. The book page will display a map with all F2F orders. To best protect robots privacy, the exact location of the order is slightly randomized (just in case someone is reckless enough to pin their own house!). The location is randomized in a radius of ~15 Km. This means it's not possible to be precise, and the exact location for the f2f trade can only be shared on the encrypted chat. Note that enabling high-resolution maps can leak your IP to external tiling servers if you are not using Tor Browser. Of course, adding a geolocation tag to your order is only useful for face-to-face cash payment method. You can completely disregard this feature if you do not want to use this payment method. If you like the amazing work KoalaSat put into this feature you can let him know by zapping some Sats to nostr:npub1v3tgrwwsv7c6xckyhm5dmluc05jxd4yeqhpxew87chn0kua0tjzqc6yvjh 🔥🚀 https://github.com/RoboSats/robosats/releases/tag/v0.5.3-alpha https://image.nostr.build/0bd41ed7f33a99eb222172f23e31ac9629d41393d4bc980a54adf8d208f4e52d.jpg
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 973d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Ah, seems I (social media volunteer) was a bit too optimistic with the current | | progress 😅😅, see an answer from a dev: It's working at a low capacity at the | | moment, and will keep runing this way for a little time. The LND node of | | RoboSats behaves very unstable. It will take over a week until we can fully | | replace the node and be back at 100%. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Ah, seems I (social media volunteer) was a bit too optimistic with the current progress 😅😅, see an answer from a dev: It's working at a low capacity at the moment, and will keep runing this way for a little time. The LND node of RoboSats behaves very unstable. It will take over a week until we can fully replace the node and be back at 100%.
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 973d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Yes! Good progress on whipping LND back into working order 😁 will be posting | | an update (which is just a summarization of what the devs have updated us with | | in the Simplex/matrix/telegram groups) | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Yes! Good progress on whipping LND back into working order 😁 will be posting an update (which is just a summarization of what the devs have updated us with in the Simplex/matrix/telegram groups)
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 974d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | It's working at a low capacity at the moment, and will keep runing this way | | for a little time. The LND node of RoboSats behaves very unstable. It will | | take over a week until we can fully replace the node and be back at 100%. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+It's working at a low capacity at the moment, and will keep runing this way for a little time. The LND node of RoboSats behaves very unstable. It will take over a week until we can fully replace the node and be back at 100%.
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 976d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | RoboSats Lightning Node is having issues connecting to peers since yesterday | | EOD. We are tracking the issue here: | | | | https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/7917 | | | | Apologies for the inconvenience, robo-folks | | | | Thank you Lightning Labs for the prompt help! | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+RoboSats Lightning Node is having issues connecting to peers since yesterday EOD. We are tracking the issue here: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/7917 Apologies for the inconvenience, robo-folks Thank you Lightning Labs for the prompt help!
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 998d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Simplex is kind of weird. I'm still figuring out how it works myself 😅 my | | understanding is that the group host device must be online to allow new users | | to join the group. So it could've been that there was a bad timing that the | | device was off line for a moment when you tried to connect. By now, it | | *should* be connected. | | | | Not to mention, sometimes a message is not visible to another user, which I | | guess is an issue due to large group sizes (you'll notice it takes a while to | | send a message in the RoboSats group). But its private 😁 you can use an | | anonymous identity to chat in the RoboSats group | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Simplex is kind of weird. I'm still figuring out how it works myself 😅 my understanding is that the group host device must be online to allow new users to join the group. So it could've been that there was a bad timing that the device was off line for a moment when you tried to connect. By now, it *should* be connected. Not to mention, sometimes a message is not visible to another user, which I guess is an issue due to large group sizes (you'll notice it takes a while to send a message in the RoboSats group). But its private 😁 you can use an anonymous identity to chat in the RoboSats group
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 998d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | If you have experience using an LN wallet with RoboSats, we would greatly | | appreciate your help updating the RoboSats compatible wallets doc! | | https://learn.robosats.com/docs/wallets/ | | | | Not every LN wallet is tested ... and some info is outdated. Help by opening a | | GitHub PR editing the doc! 🤖⚡ | | | | https://void.cat/d/3nYrKAYVMMic45mJMFw7Hh.png | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+If you have experience using an LN wallet with RoboSats, we would greatly appreciate your help updating the RoboSats compatible wallets doc! https://learn.robosats.com/docs/wallets/ Not every LN wallet is tested ... and some info is outdated. Help by opening a GitHub PR editing the doc! 🤖⚡ https://void.cat/d/3nYrKAYVMMic45mJMFw7Hh.png
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1006d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | At some point when you send to cold storage (on chain) from buying sats on | | RoboSats (Lightning), you will have to swap out and incur on chain fee (and | | whatever swap service you use). | | | | Using only cellphone, a good setup would be the RoboSats app, Blixt wallet for | | Lightning, and then using RoboSats to swap out at low fees or use another swap | | service provider with low fees like swap.diamond hands.technology to send your | | funds to cold storage. There are other wallets that users have reported | | success with, like Phoenix wallet and OBW to name a couple | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+At some point when you send to cold storage (on chain) from buying sats on RoboSats (Lightning), you will have to swap out and incur on chain fee (and whatever swap service you use). Using only cellphone, a good setup would be the RoboSats app, Blixt wallet for Lightning, and then using RoboSats to swap out at low fees or use another swap service provider with low fees like swap.diamond hands.technology to send your funds to cold storage. There are other wallets that users have reported success with, like Phoenix wallet and OBW to name a couple
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1012d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Hmm tough question... 😁 biases aside though, there are plenty of alternative | | options besides RoboSats. Like Bisq, Hodlhodl, Peach, Agora Desk, LNP2P bot... | | | | Find one that suits your needs! | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Hmm tough question... 😁 biases aside though, there are plenty of alternative options besides RoboSats. Like Bisq, Hodlhodl, Peach, Agora Desk, LNP2P bot... Find one that suits your needs!
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1013d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | When someone explains why they have yet to use a P2P exchange to stack sats | | privately 😁: | | | | https://void.cat/d/5rK5N4XCjuvE3UnNdiKoEE.png | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+When someone explains why they have yet to use a P2P exchange to stack sats privately 😁: https://void.cat/d/5rK5N4XCjuvE3UnNdiKoEE.png
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1015d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Perhaps a little bit of all that contributes to higher premiums on gift cards! | | | | Physical gift card code exchange is probably the most private method, but | | similarly its so private that its hard to defend yourself in a dispute because | | there's no definitive way to prove you gave your peer an authentic gift card | | code that hasn't been used already. Thus why e-gift card with burner email is | | recommended since you get email receipt proving your peer received the gift | | card code (but obviously not as private and people still use physical gift | | card code all the time without issue) | | | | If more people used RoboSats as a sort of P2P bitrefill.. Then a circular | | economy of sorts could take hold where buyers stacking sats provide sellers | | with gift cards they can use for their daily living purposes. Rinse and repeat | | 🙂 | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Perhaps a little bit of all that contributes to higher premiums on gift cards! Physical gift card code exchange is probably the most private method, but similarly its so private that its hard to defend yourself in a dispute because there's no definitive way to prove you gave your peer an authentic gift card code that hasn't been used already. Thus why e-gift card with burner email is recommended since you get email receipt proving your peer received the gift card code (but obviously not as private and people still use physical gift card code all the time without issue) If more people used RoboSats as a sort of P2P bitrefill.. Then a circular economy of sorts could take hold where buyers stacking sats provide sellers with gift cards they can use for their daily living purposes. Rinse and repeat 🙂
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1015d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Thank you for supporting this privacy tool!! Much appreciated, fellow robo 🤖⚡ | | | | https://void.cat/d/TzriSZUKoucn5qB6QVPNeb.png | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Thank you for supporting this privacy tool!! Much appreciated, fellow robo 🤖⚡ https://void.cat/d/TzriSZUKoucn5qB6QVPNeb.png
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1015d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Thanks robo-fren 🤖💞 your support of RoboSats is what helps the platform grow! | | | | https://void.cat/d/Nsb3p5nLXBgd75ABgsShYu.png | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Thanks robo-fren 🤖💞 your support of RoboSats is what helps the platform grow! https://void.cat/d/Nsb3p5nLXBgd75ABgsShYu.png
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1015d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | It certainly speaks to the degree of privacy a majority of end-users are | | willing to seek. End-users tend to gravitate towards convenient (albeit not | | private) fiat payment methods. There are lots of gift card options which are | | generally more private but its really not ideal for the receiver of fiat since | | they can only spend the funds in one place. Thus why gift card options tend to | | gravitate toward mostly Amazon where you can buy almost anything from one site | | lol | | | | But there is always one rule that persists: the only prerequisite to having | | your bank app account closed is by having one in the first place 😁 | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+It certainly speaks to the degree of privacy a majority of end-users are willing to seek. End-users tend to gravitate towards convenient (albeit not private) fiat payment methods. There are lots of gift card options which are generally more private but its really not ideal for the receiver of fiat since they can only spend the funds in one place. Thus why gift card options tend to gravitate toward mostly Amazon where you can buy almost anything from one site lol But there is always one rule that persists: the only prerequisite to having your bank app account closed is by having one in the first place 😁
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1015d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Nailed it 💯💯 | | | | And a great way to learn more about RoboSats is to read our docs (aka the | | "robo" academy 😁): learn.robosats.com | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Nailed it 💯💯 And a great way to learn more about RoboSats is to read our docs (aka the "robo" academy 😁): learn.robosats.com
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1015d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | In a P2P market, users create the large-scale liquidity that they want to see! | | | | P2P exchanges can't conjure immediately available liquidity in a slew of | | currencies (that’s not very P2P). | | | | P2P exchanges depend on your help with word of mouth advertising. So, spread | | the word! 🤖⚡️ | | | | https://void.cat/d/5k4zgfn6tQ9egE6nMcGvN7.png | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+In a P2P market, users create the large-scale liquidity that they want to see! P2P exchanges can't conjure immediately available liquidity in a slew of currencies (that’s not very P2P). P2P exchanges depend on your help with word of mouth advertising. So, spread the word! 🤖⚡️ https://void.cat/d/5k4zgfn6tQ9egE6nMcGvN7.png
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1030d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | It would be nice to negotiate the premium on an order before proceeding to the | | P2P chat stage! Keep in mind with the following response that I'm just a | | humble social media volunteer and am speaking from my understanding of | | previous discussions with Reckless_Satoshi: | | | | I think an overarching concern when considering how peers communicate is | | protecting the end-users from fraud. By allowing P2P communications before the | | escrow is provided, it could (in worst case scenario) lead to attempted scams. | | A clever scammer might convince or persuade their peer to exchange fiat in an | | unsafe manner during this pre-escrow negotiation process. It could be as | | simple as persuading the peer to make the BTC<->FIAT trade off platform for | | whatever scammy reason, which makes the RoboSats dispute resolution process | | impossible when comms move off RoboSats. All trade comms with your peer should | | be kept within RoboSats' E2E encrypted P2P chat because you can export these | | logs and send to RoboSats staff for a dispute mediatior to review in case of | | attempted fraud. We want to keep the order flow such that peers only | | communicate after the seller provides the escrow. | | | | Now, with that in mind, it might be possible that the "negotiation" process | | before exchanging fiat consists of submitting a new, proposed premium number | | without any additional context (peers ONLY exchange a number, no words or | | sentences for scammers to try and explain their tricks to a naive user). For | | example, you see a premium of 6% on a bitcoin sell order and you submit a | | negotiation number of "5%" and your peer can accept, decline, or counter offer | | with another number, like eBay kind of. In that way, end-users are protected | | and comms prior to submitting escrow are minimized. | | | | Regardless, its a fun idea and worth discussing in more detail in the RoboSats | | public dev chat group on Matrix! Do you mind posting the idea there too, so | | others (like devs smarter than me) can see and comment? Thanks for taking time | | to think about how RoboSats could be made even better!! | | | | P.S. there is a nostr-based exchange in the works, one such notable example is | | "Mostro" by the same developer who made lnp2pbot! Which RoboSats is heavily | | inspired by lnp2pbot! | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+It would be nice to negotiate the premium on an order before proceeding to the P2P chat stage! Keep in mind with the following response that I'm just a humble social media volunteer and am speaking from my understanding of previous discussions with Reckless_Satoshi: I think an overarching concern when considering how peers communicate is protecting the end-users from fraud. By allowing P2P communications before the escrow is provided, it could (in worst case scenario) lead to attempted scams. A clever scammer might convince or persuade their peer to exchange fiat in an unsafe manner during this pre-escrow negotiation process. It could be as simple as persuading the peer to make the BTC<->FIAT trade off platform for whatever scammy reason, which makes the RoboSats dispute resolution process impossible when comms move off RoboSats. All trade comms with your peer should be kept within RoboSats' E2E encrypted P2P chat because you can export these logs and send to RoboSats staff for a dispute mediatior to review in case of attempted fraud. We want to keep the order flow such that peers only communicate after the seller provides the escrow. Now, with that in mind, it might be possible that the "negotiation" process before exchanging fiat consists of submitting a new, proposed premium number without any additional context (peers ONLY exchange a number, no words or sentences for scammers to try and explain their tricks to a naive user). For example, you see a premium of 6% on a bitcoin sell order and you submit a negotiation number of "5%" and your peer can accept, decline, or counter offer with another number, like eBay kind of. In that way, end-users are protected and comms prior to submitting escrow are minimized. Regardless, its a fun idea and worth discussing in more detail in the RoboSats public dev chat group on Matrix! Do you mind posting the idea there too, so others (like devs smarter than me) can see and comment? Thanks for taking time to think about how RoboSats could be made even better!! P.S. there is a nostr-based exchange in the works, one such notable example is "Mostro" by the same developer who made lnp2pbot! Which RoboSats is heavily inspired by lnp2pbot!
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1034d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Awesome!! Thanks for trying it out 🤖⚡ I'm very pleased to hear the experience | | was smooth! | | | | If you liked the platform, do tell a friend! RoboSats gets better with more | | users! | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Awesome!! Thanks for trying it out 🤖⚡ I'm very pleased to hear the experience was smooth! If you liked the platform, do tell a friend! RoboSats gets better with more users!
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1036d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Usually payments from RoboSats are a few hops at most if you open a channel | | with WoS, Alby, ACINQ or some other similar large routing node. You can check | | out the channels that RoboSats has opened: | | https://amboss.space/node/0282eb467bc073833a039940392592bf10cf338a830ba4e392c1 | | 667d7697654c7e | | | | With regards to opening channels towards the RoboSats experimental coordinator | | node, first check out the RoboSats documentation. Generally not recommended to | | open a channel towards RoboSats since its not a "routing" node: | | https://learn.robosats.com/contribute/liquidity/ | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Usually payments from RoboSats are a few hops at most if you open a channel with WoS, Alby, ACINQ or some other similar large routing node. You can check out the channels that RoboSats has opened: https://amboss.space/node/0282eb467bc073833a039940392592bf10cf338a830ba4e392c1667d7697654c7e With regards to opening channels towards the RoboSats experimental coordinator node, first check out the RoboSats documentation. Generally not recommended to open a channel towards RoboSats since its not a "routing" node: https://learn.robosats.com/contribute/liquidity/
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1036d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Ah I see. I agree holding invoices could be done to attack the network, but | | RoboSats' use of hodl invoices is quite a ways away from being considered | | "malicious". This concern has actually been discussed at length in the | | RoboSats public chat/support groups. For a better response (I'm just a social | | media volunteer and not a dev and don't want to speak incorrectly), it might | | be best to direct this type of concern to the RoboSats Matrix public dev group | | chat (https://matrix.to/#/#robosats:matrix.org) | | | | I'm sorry to redirect you 😅 please do spark the conversation on Matrix! | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Ah I see. I agree holding invoices could be done to attack the network, but RoboSats' use of hodl invoices is quite a ways away from being considered "malicious". This concern has actually been discussed at length in the RoboSats public chat/support groups. For a better response (I'm just a social media volunteer and not a dev and don't want to speak incorrectly), it might be best to direct this type of concern to the RoboSats Matrix public dev group chat (https://matrix.to/#/#robosats:matrix.org) I'm sorry to redirect you 😅 please do spark the conversation on Matrix!
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1036d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Oops, you mentioned the bond hold invoice. But the same still applies, as the | | seller's escrow is also a hold invoice too. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Oops, you mentioned the bond hold invoice. But the same still applies, as the seller's escrow is also a hold invoice too.
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1037d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | You cannot "undo" the identity verification process! | | | | If you want complete privacy in regards to how much you own, don't buy on an | | exchange that records this information. Mixing coins doesn't change the | | institution's record-keeping of how much BTC you've withdrawn from them. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+You cannot "undo" the identity verification process! If you want complete privacy in regards to how much you own, don't buy on an exchange that records this information. Mixing coins doesn't change the institution's record-keeping of how much BTC you've withdrawn from them.
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1037d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Anonymity is only possible if you use a truly private payment method. While | | CashApp is a possible (and popular) payment method on RoboSats, it is not very | | private and does not guarantee safe trading. My understanding is that CashApp | | allows you to use an anonymous username handle but there is risk of charge | | back by your peer. So a more private and irreversible payment method is | | recommended like gift cards, for example. | | | | RoboSats let's you be as anonymous as you want! Every new trade on RoboSats is | | a new identity (never re-use the same identity more than once). So the | | anonymity really comes from the fact that RoboSats requires 0 personal | | information to make trades and the fiat payment method is done in E2E | | encrypted chat with only your peer. | | | | So that's why it's recommended to also use a payment method that is private | | because your peer is the only individual who could "find you out" because of | | your payment method. To an outside observer (like your fiat rail institution), | | it would appear you sent a random individual money unrelated to anything | | bitcoin. Just be sure to not include something like "bitcoin" or "robosats" in | | the payment comment field haha 😁 | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Anonymity is only possible if you use a truly private payment method. While CashApp is a possible (and popular) payment method on RoboSats, it is not very private and does not guarantee safe trading. My understanding is that CashApp allows you to use an anonymous username handle but there is risk of charge back by your peer. So a more private and irreversible payment method is recommended like gift cards, for example. RoboSats let's you be as anonymous as you want! Every new trade on RoboSats is a new identity (never re-use the same identity more than once). So the anonymity really comes from the fact that RoboSats requires 0 personal information to make trades and the fiat payment method is done in E2E encrypted chat with only your peer. So that's why it's recommended to also use a payment method that is private because your peer is the only individual who could "find you out" because of your payment method. To an outside observer (like your fiat rail institution), it would appear you sent a random individual money unrelated to anything bitcoin. Just be sure to not include something like "bitcoin" or "robosats" in the payment comment field haha 😁
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1038d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | #[1] You heard it here first, robo-folks: | | | | RoboSats is amazing 🤖⚡🤖⚡ | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+#[1] You heard it here first, robo-folks: RoboSats is amazing 🤖⚡🤖⚡
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1039d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Nice use of the stats charts!! That's a great clarification, the expected | | premium will vary depending on your currency and the supply/demand imbalance | | of that currency (USD is more liquid than, say, RUB) | | | | Also, keep in mind, the fiat payment method can command a higher premium if it | | is more private whereas less private payment methods (which are the majority | | unfortunately) tend to have lower premiums because more sellers are accepting | | those payment methods. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Nice use of the stats charts!! That's a great clarification, the expected premium will vary depending on your currency and the supply/demand imbalance of that currency (USD is more liquid than, say, RUB) Also, keep in mind, the fiat payment method can command a higher premium if it is more private whereas less private payment methods (which are the majority unfortunately) tend to have lower premiums because more sellers are accepting those payment methods.
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1039d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Thank you for the shout out!! 🤖❤ | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Thank you for the shout out!! 🤖❤
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1043d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Help grow P2P liquidity in your local currency! Tell a friend! 🤖⚡ | | | | Note that sellers get more bang for their sats when selling on P2P exchanges | | w/ premiums versus verification exchanges (VEXs) | | | | Check out private (ethical) options when selling/buying BTC: https://kycnot.me | | | | | | https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_1290606205970983591687099144. | | webp | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Help grow P2P liquidity in your local currency! Tell a friend! 🤖⚡ Note that sellers get more bang for their sats when selling on P2P exchanges w/ premiums versus verification exchanges (VEXs) Check out private (ethical) options when selling/buying BTC: https://kycnot.me https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_1290606205970983591687099144.webp
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1044d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Sorry to hear that 😢 Well, at least the same mistake won't be made twice 😅 | | | | Indeed, the BTC<->FIAT market rate will typically come with a premium and a | | positive premium is above that rate, whereas a negative premium is below that | | rate (AKA a "discount") | | | | In future, you could try explaining to your peer in the P2P chat stage that | | you took this order before realizing the premium was negative, and hopefully | | your peer would understand so that you both could collaboratively cancel the | | order. Collab cancel means your bond isn't forfeited. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Sorry to hear that 😢 Well, at least the same mistake won't be made twice 😅 Indeed, the BTC<->FIAT market rate will typically come with a premium and a positive premium is above that rate, whereas a negative premium is below that rate (AKA a "discount") In future, you could try explaining to your peer in the P2P chat stage that you took this order before realizing the premium was negative, and hopefully your peer would understand so that you both could collaboratively cancel the order. Collab cancel means your bond isn't forfeited.
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+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 817d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | The RoboSats Experimental coordinator entered an scheduled maintainance | | yesterday just as planned 👷♂️ | | | | The stop will take about 1 week. | | | | You know what's cool though? We recently pre-released our decentralized | | (multi-coordinator) client, so you can still use RoboSats. This might be a | | great chance to run some trade of small size in the new coordinators. You can | | simply open dex.robosats.com in Tor Browser :) | | https://image.nostr.build/f03bd2505af6e34d048445ae2ef7e3ad71b41665fa0c7402135f | | 8fa20def368f.jpg#m=image%2Fjpeg&dim=1080x1591&alt=RoboSats+Experimental+mainte | | nancd+stop+notice&blurhash=%5E4Oz0qE100%5E%2B00WBR5RikXtRaxWB00Rj%5E*t6_2ofozb | | HV%40WAj%5Bof00xu%5E%2BIU%7EWj%5BNFxuRkIoxuWB00t7_2Ri%7EWWBNLRkxts%3AR%25of00o | | J%3FbW%3F%5E%2BWB&x=2bdc30abf948c269fbec2db12cd54b010d8dfd320fc1dd90279c2b929b | | 99c079 | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+The RoboSats Experimental coordinator entered an scheduled maintainance yesterday just as planned 👷♂️ The stop will take about 1 week. You know what's cool though? We recently pre-released our decentralized (multi-coordinator) client, so you can still use RoboSats. This might be a great chance to run some trade of small size in the new coordinators. You can simply open dex.robosats.com in Tor Browser :) https://image.nostr.build/f03bd2505af6e34d048445ae2ef7e3ad71b41665fa0c7402135f8fa20def368f.jpg#m=image%2Fjpeg&dim=1080x1591&alt=RoboSats+Experimental+maintenancd+stop+notice&blurhash=%5E4Oz0qE100%5E%2B00WBR5RikXtRaxWB00Rj%5E*t6_2ofozbHV%40WAj%5Bof00xu%5E%2BIU%7EWj%5BNFxuRkIoxuWB00t7_2Ri%7EWWBNLRkxts%3AR%25of00oJ%3FbW%3F%5E%2BWB&x=2bdc30abf948c269fbec2db12cd54b010d8dfd320fc1dd90279c2b929b99c079
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 921d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | 🤖 RoboSats v0.5.3 is out! 🚀 | | | | 🟠 The main change on this version is the much improved F2F feature by | | @KoalaSat . | | | | The app now allows robots to add a location for face-to-face cash trades. The | | book page will display a map with all F2F orders. | | | | To best protect robots privacy, the exact location of the order is slightly | | randomized (just in case someone is reckless enough to pin their own house!). | | The location is randomized in a radius of ~15 Km. This means it's not possible | | to be precise, and the exact location for the f2f trade can only be shared on | | the encrypted chat. Note that enabling high-resolution maps can leak your IP | | to external tiling servers if you are not using Tor Browser. | | | | Of course, adding a geolocation tag to your order is only useful for | | face-to-face cash payment method. You can completely disregard this feature if | | you do not want to use this payment method. | | | | If you like the amazing work KoalaSat put into this feature you can let him | | know by zapping some Sats to | | nostr:npub1v3tgrwwsv7c6xckyhm5dmluc05jxd4yeqhpxew87chn0kua0tjzqc6yvjh 🔥🚀 | | | | https://github.com/RoboSats/robosats/releases/tag/v0.5.3-alpha | | | | https://image.nostr.build/0bd41ed7f33a99eb222172f23e31ac9629d41393d4bc980a54ad | | f8d208f4e52d.jpg | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+🤖 RoboSats v0.5.3 is out! 🚀 🟠 The main change on this version is the much improved F2F feature by @KoalaSat . The app now allows robots to add a location for face-to-face cash trades. The book page will display a map with all F2F orders. To best protect robots privacy, the exact location of the order is slightly randomized (just in case someone is reckless enough to pin their own house!). The location is randomized in a radius of ~15 Km. This means it's not possible to be precise, and the exact location for the f2f trade can only be shared on the encrypted chat. Note that enabling high-resolution maps can leak your IP to external tiling servers if you are not using Tor Browser. Of course, adding a geolocation tag to your order is only useful for face-to-face cash payment method. You can completely disregard this feature if you do not want to use this payment method. If you like the amazing work KoalaSat put into this feature you can let him know by zapping some Sats to nostr:npub1v3tgrwwsv7c6xckyhm5dmluc05jxd4yeqhpxew87chn0kua0tjzqc6yvjh 🔥🚀 https://github.com/RoboSats/robosats/releases/tag/v0.5.3-alpha https://image.nostr.build/0bd41ed7f33a99eb222172f23e31ac9629d41393d4bc980a54adf8d208f4e52d.jpg
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 998d ----------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | If you have experience using an LN wallet with RoboSats, we would greatly | | appreciate your help updating the RoboSats compatible wallets doc! | | https://learn.robosats.com/docs/wallets/ | | | | Not every LN wallet is tested ... and some info is outdated. Help by opening a | | GitHub PR editing the doc! 🤖⚡ | | | | https://void.cat/d/3nYrKAYVMMic45mJMFw7Hh.png | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+If you have experience using an LN wallet with RoboSats, we would greatly appreciate your help updating the RoboSats compatible wallets doc! https://learn.robosats.com/docs/wallets/ Not every LN wallet is tested ... and some info is outdated. Help by opening a GitHub PR editing the doc! 🤖⚡ https://void.cat/d/3nYrKAYVMMic45mJMFw7Hh.png
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1013d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | When someone explains why they have yet to use a P2P exchange to stack sats | | privately 😁: | | | | https://void.cat/d/5rK5N4XCjuvE3UnNdiKoEE.png | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+When someone explains why they have yet to use a P2P exchange to stack sats privately 😁: https://void.cat/d/5rK5N4XCjuvE3UnNdiKoEE.png
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1015d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Thank you for supporting this privacy tool!! Much appreciated, fellow robo 🤖⚡ | | | | https://void.cat/d/TzriSZUKoucn5qB6QVPNeb.png | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Thank you for supporting this privacy tool!! Much appreciated, fellow robo 🤖⚡ https://void.cat/d/TzriSZUKoucn5qB6QVPNeb.png
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1015d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Thanks robo-fren 🤖💞 your support of RoboSats is what helps the platform grow! | | | | https://void.cat/d/Nsb3p5nLXBgd75ABgsShYu.png | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Thanks robo-fren 🤖💞 your support of RoboSats is what helps the platform grow! https://void.cat/d/Nsb3p5nLXBgd75ABgsShYu.png
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1015d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | In a P2P market, users create the large-scale liquidity that they want to see! | | | | P2P exchanges can't conjure immediately available liquidity in a slew of | | currencies (that’s not very P2P). | | | | P2P exchanges depend on your help with word of mouth advertising. So, spread | | the word! 🤖⚡️ | | | | https://void.cat/d/5k4zgfn6tQ9egE6nMcGvN7.png | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+In a P2P market, users create the large-scale liquidity that they want to see! P2P exchanges can't conjure immediately available liquidity in a slew of currencies (that’s not very P2P). P2P exchanges depend on your help with word of mouth advertising. So, spread the word! 🤖⚡️ https://void.cat/d/5k4zgfn6tQ9egE6nMcGvN7.png
+- 0a830eae1e28 -- 1043d ---------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Help grow P2P liquidity in your local currency! Tell a friend! 🤖⚡ | | | | Note that sellers get more bang for their sats when selling on P2P exchanges | | w/ premiums versus verification exchanges (VEXs) | | | | Check out private (ethical) options when selling/buying BTC: https://kycnot.me | | | | | | https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_1290606205970983591687099144. | | webp | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Help grow P2P liquidity in your local currency! Tell a friend! 🤖⚡ Note that sellers get more bang for their sats when selling on P2P exchanges w/ premiums versus verification exchanges (VEXs) Check out private (ethical) options when selling/buying BTC: https://kycnot.me https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_1290606205970983591687099144.webp
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