66769797f230 -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    Depends...
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BTC_P2P -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    On what in your opinion?
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66769797f230 -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    If you don't flash them correctly, both will fail at some point
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BTC_P2P -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    That has to do with improper building techniques not the sheathing / wrap outcomes. But installed / flashed
|    correctly zip will last centuries, and osb just can’t. Mostly because of the house wrap.
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|    The issue with sheathing covered in a house wrap is that the wrap has air bubbles behind it (even with the most
|    meticulous install) and the temp differences between the conditioned space and the outside environment create a
|    dew point. The dew can’t move through the house wrap so it all stays trapped behind it in the interior walls of
|    the house, molding and degrading them. Zip solves this problem.
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66769797f230 -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    Kinda disagree with that statement. I have seen them both fail in the field lol
|    
|    If you truly want a building to last for centuries you build out of mansory, steel, concrete and/or rammed earth
|    or a combo of all of them. That will last forever lol
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BTC_P2P -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    What was the failure mode of zip that you’ve seen?
|    
|    If you’re building masonry you still need sheathing and a weather-proof barrier protecting it. So the issues
|    with dew point would be the same.
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66769797f230 -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    Not bashing on the Zip system at all as I have seen the same with building wraps. With Zip, the most common
|    failures happen at the joints between panels as the tape is improperly adhered. Sometimes the wrong type of nail
|    is used, leading to corrosion. The flashing around openings sometimes fails as it's not sequenced correctly... I
|    do see how it saves time and money tho. With the right crew, it goes fairly well
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BTC_P2P -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    Install errors notwithstanding I think zip is far superior. Specifically because of the perfect adhesion of the
|    weather proof membrane to the sheathing.
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66769797f230 -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    That's an advantage for sure. Still talking about wood construction which is really shitty and fiat asf.
|    Disposable architecture
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BTC_P2P -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    Lol wood house tech is a lot older than fiat money. Proper wood construction can last hundreds of years if built
|    and cared for correctly.
|    
|    I think a custom concrete earthship is probably the most bullet proof and efficient way to go but will start
|    with a timber framed barn where the second story is a domicile. First floor will be shop and gym space.
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66769797f230 -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    Nice man! Having the shop and gym at the ground floor is very smart
|    
|    This is what I meant by shitty fiat construction lol
|    https://youtube.com/shorts/taxmnGT5WEk
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BTC_P2P -- 177d [parent] [-]
|    Very fair, modern commercial wood is absolutely inferior to lumber of past. But if you keep modern wood dry and
|    in a properly built / conditioned environment it will last!
|    
|    I’ve thought about framing houses with cedar to avoid commercial doug fir 😂🤣🤣
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