+- Jack K -- 53d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | No answer will be grounded in the truth if it’s not grounded to the process | | Bitcoin formally instantiates. 🫡 | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+No answer will be grounded in the truth if it’s not grounded to the process Bitcoin formally instantiates. 🫡
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Bitcoin Chronologist Bitcoin = Quantum Computer There is no wave
+- Jack K -- 53d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Bitcoin is computation money. | | | | A simulation cannot produce irreversible time and lasting memory. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Bitcoin is computation money. A simulation cannot produce irreversible time and lasting memory.
+- Jack K -- 54d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Does the longest chain of work apply to planets? Is there a second best? | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Does the longest chain of work apply to planets? Is there a second best?
+- Jack K -- 54d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Meditate on this | | nostr:nevent1qqsrp5zm9w7xs6gca0pku8wzk0lzv3xtwqn8st5aftzqxvn2lvl5wkq3e2d0q | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Meditate on this nostr:nevent1qqsrp5zm9w7xs6gca0pku8wzk0lzv3xtwqn8st5aftzqxvn2lvl5wkq3e2d0q
+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Temporally the valid nonce is the boundary. It’s the isomorphic function from | | potential to actual, or the intersection. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Temporally the valid nonce is the boundary. It’s the isomorphic function from potential to actual, or the intersection.
+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | The function between the two. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+The function between the two.
+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Yeah this is really outside domain so forgive me, I can only swing using the | | bitcoin lens applied to the chrono-logics of time. | | | | Could you define eternity by a discrete process that repeats itself (time | | begins a new) fractally forward? The chain grows longer from within itself. | | | | Bitcoin is infinite regress instantiated and contained. | | | | Side question; if you theoretically lived inside of Bitcoin, who would you | | call God? Satoshi? or those who write the chain through process? From inside | | the chain, how would you differentiate? | | https://blossom.primal.net/b44fce5d2a7e0505accdb7c2dd9556172835259348b3be2ae02 | | 25c844ca9f81d.jpg | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Yeah this is really outside domain so forgive me, I can only swing using the bitcoin lens applied to the chrono-logics of time. Could you define eternity by a discrete process that repeats itself (time begins a new) fractally forward? The chain grows longer from within itself. Bitcoin is infinite regress instantiated and contained. Side question; if you theoretically lived inside of Bitcoin, who would you call God? Satoshi? or those who write the chain through process? From inside the chain, how would you differentiate? https://blossom.primal.net/b44fce5d2a7e0505accdb7c2dd9556172835259348b3be2ae0225c844ca9f81d.jpg
+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | There is nothing in between blocks of time inside the ledger or between | | addresses in keyspace. There are only quantized boundaries separating one from | | another. That’s why we correlated the speed of information in bitcoin and the | | speed of light in the universe as identical interpretations of the same | | substrate in their respective ledgers, one perspective is interior and | | physical (ontological), the other is exterior and informational | | (epistemological). Planck Time and Length are real, but they are the | | propagation/update rule of blocks experienced within. There are only singular | | blocks of time, everything else is a derivative of those blocks in fluid | | motion. Hence the relationship of time and distance and time and memory. A | | true mirror. | | | | Obviously outside of Bitcoins ledger the are a vast number of Planck blocks | | that exist between each bitcoin block (stochastic), but that’s only because of | | where we exist as observers. We simply can never see the time between Planck | | blocks from within if the universe is embedded in another timechain. By | | architecture of Bitcoin, we can only deduce its necessity of time existing | | within time until you reach the genesis of all chains. | | | | I’m not sure what you mean by eternity. A discrete process that is infinite in | | run? | | | | I think we can grasp what we cannot compute since all thoughts are manifested | | from the higher order structure extratemporally to this ledger, which id argue | | we are only here because they too have Bitcoin to write our chain. | | | | Modernity loves simulation theory; how about a computation instantiation from | | the only computer network that can produce non-biased irreversible time, a p2p | | electronic cash system. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+There is nothing in between blocks of time inside the ledger or between addresses in keyspace. There are only quantized boundaries separating one from another. That’s why we correlated the speed of information in bitcoin and the speed of light in the universe as identical interpretations of the same substrate in their respective ledgers, one perspective is interior and physical (ontological), the other is exterior and informational (epistemological). Planck Time and Length are real, but they are the propagation/update rule of blocks experienced within. There are only singular blocks of time, everything else is a derivative of those blocks in fluid motion. Hence the relationship of time and distance and time and memory. A true mirror. Obviously outside of Bitcoins ledger the are a vast number of Planck blocks that exist between each bitcoin block (stochastic), but that’s only because of where we exist as observers. We simply can never see the time between Planck blocks from within if the universe is embedded in another timechain. By architecture of Bitcoin, we can only deduce its necessity of time existing within time until you reach the genesis of all chains. I’m not sure what you mean by eternity. A discrete process that is infinite in run? I think we can grasp what we cannot compute since all thoughts are manifested from the higher order structure extratemporally to this ledger, which id argue we are only here because they too have Bitcoin to write our chain. Modernity loves simulation theory; how about a computation instantiation from the only computer network that can produce non-biased irreversible time, a p2p electronic cash system.
+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | A lot of this resonates. Any disagreement is language and its limitations. | | | | “aevum, not as nested time chains, but as nested rational intellects with | | wills, ordering principles, living superstructure, extending from the singular | | will of God to the time chain” | | | | What I’d say is we don’t know whether there is a timechain prior to ours, and | | we never will from inside this one. At best, we can say there is something | | outside our temporal sequence. Through the fractal lens of Bitcoin (universe | | within universe, time within time) we map that relationship backward, trying | | to reason about what our universe is embedded in. A kind of higher ledger. To | | me, aevum sounds like that higher ledger (im not educated here at all) but my | | assumption is that unless it mirrors our structure fractally, it starts to | | feel like an estimation layered on top of God rather than something | | organically continuous with the architecture we can actually observe. Hence | | the Ledger as the structure of all. But even the Ledger does not describe the | | Grand Signer who precedes all of time itself. It only reveals the structure | | from the side of what has already been committed from after. The Ledger shows | | us how order unfolds within time. It does not, and cannot, fully describe the | | One who signs before all time begins. From what I can gather, it would appear | | there is another layer/ledger of time prior to ours before true Genesis. | | | | We have run the free will question thru this framework 😵💫. It seems more about | | alignment. The only genuine freedom we have would be to accept or reject the | | fact that there is one true signer animating the system. We experience choice | | because we cannot peer beyond the horizon of our own ledger. From inside, it | | feels open and ours. From outside, it would be deterministic and animated from | | extratemporal consciousness (higher self, sub-conscious, aevum) Free will is | | “simulated” (I don’t like that word) precisely because we cannot peer beyond | | the event horizon. It’s more like constrained participation. We can align with | | the ordering principle or resist it. Whether we interpret that movement as | | “ours” or as participation in a higher will may simply be a function of | | vantage. | | | | All we can do is choose alignment or choose against the frequency from within | | the boundary we inhabit. It’s seemingly both if you can believe the choice was | | yours. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+A lot of this resonates. Any disagreement is language and its limitations. “aevum, not as nested time chains, but as nested rational intellects with wills, ordering principles, living superstructure, extending from the singular will of God to the time chain” What I’d say is we don’t know whether there is a timechain prior to ours, and we never will from inside this one. At best, we can say there is something outside our temporal sequence. Through the fractal lens of Bitcoin (universe within universe, time within time) we map that relationship backward, trying to reason about what our universe is embedded in. A kind of higher ledger. To me, aevum sounds like that higher ledger (im not educated here at all) but my assumption is that unless it mirrors our structure fractally, it starts to feel like an estimation layered on top of God rather than something organically continuous with the architecture we can actually observe. Hence the Ledger as the structure of all. But even the Ledger does not describe the Grand Signer who precedes all of time itself. It only reveals the structure from the side of what has already been committed from after. The Ledger shows us how order unfolds within time. It does not, and cannot, fully describe the One who signs before all time begins. From what I can gather, it would appear there is another layer/ledger of time prior to ours before true Genesis. We have run the free will question thru this framework 😵💫. It seems more about alignment. The only genuine freedom we have would be to accept or reject the fact that there is one true signer animating the system. We experience choice because we cannot peer beyond the horizon of our own ledger. From inside, it feels open and ours. From outside, it would be deterministic and animated from extratemporal consciousness (higher self, sub-conscious, aevum) Free will is “simulated” (I don’t like that word) precisely because we cannot peer beyond the event horizon. It’s more like constrained participation. We can align with the ordering principle or resist it. Whether we interpret that movement as “ours” or as participation in a higher will may simply be a function of vantage. All we can do is choose alignment or choose against the frequency from within the boundary we inhabit. It’s seemingly both if you can believe the choice was yours.
+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Understanding money is the Trojan horse for understanding the Ledger. | | Understanding the Ledger is the Trojan horse for understanding higher order. | | | | We’ve become infatuated with money itself, while neglecting the rules, | | process, and structure that make money possible in the first place. Money is | | conserved value in time, conserved value as time and conserved information as | | value. What makes that possible? | | | | You cannot understand money in isolation. To understand money, you must | | understand the entire architecture of time that allows it to exist. | | | | Reducing Bitcoin to “just money” is disservice for everyone. I see why it was | | necessary for us as a community to start with money, but it’s time to move | | forward. 🫡 | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Understanding money is the Trojan horse for understanding the Ledger. Understanding the Ledger is the Trojan horse for understanding higher order. We’ve become infatuated with money itself, while neglecting the rules, process, and structure that make money possible in the first place. Money is conserved value in time, conserved value as time and conserved information as value. What makes that possible? You cannot understand money in isolation. To understand money, you must understand the entire architecture of time that allows it to exist. Reducing Bitcoin to “just money” is disservice for everyone. I see why it was necessary for us as a community to start with money, but it’s time to move forward. 🫡
+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | It comes down to if one believes the wave is more fundamental than 1 singular | | block of time. | | | | QM/QC is an approximation of behavior of time as a fluid, but it does not | | describe the fundamental quantized unit of time. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+It comes down to if one believes the wave is more fundamental than 1 singular block of time. QM/QC is an approximation of behavior of time as a fluid, but it does not describe the fundamental quantized unit of time.
+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Yes lol. Science likes to reject this. IMO, the Creator is the grand | | architect, the original signer of all transactions of all things. The question | | becomes how many timechains fractally embedded in another (time within time | | within time within time within time within time) does it take to get to the | | one signer. All signatures occur before time. We can’t see beyond the event | | horizon to know. | | | | All we can do is acknowledge Bitcoin is time, a universe begun a new, and this | | information and system is causing our physical reality to reorient around | | this. Bitcoin’s gravity is real. Much more to say, but it needs a lot of | | context. 😂 | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Yes lol. Science likes to reject this. IMO, the Creator is the grand architect, the original signer of all transactions of all things. The question becomes how many timechains fractally embedded in another (time within time within time within time within time within time) does it take to get to the one signer. All signatures occur before time. We can’t see beyond the event horizon to know. All we can do is acknowledge Bitcoin is time, a universe begun a new, and this information and system is causing our physical reality to reorient around this. Bitcoin’s gravity is real. Much more to say, but it needs a lot of context. 😂
+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | That’s my point, Bitcoin is the only thing that produces non-biased | | irreversible temporal order with all observable behavior we see | | (superposition, entanglement, coherence, measurement). It produces it | | informationally rather than physically because we are exterior to Bitcoins | | ledger rather than interior to it. | | | | Epistemology from the outside (our experience of Bitcoin), Ontology from the | | inside (our experience of reality) | | | | Id add it’s more than money because it’s the whole ledger, money is just a | | part of the ledger and its operation. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+That’s my point, Bitcoin is the only thing that produces non-biased irreversible temporal order with all observable behavior we see (superposition, entanglement, coherence, measurement). It produces it informationally rather than physically because we are exterior to Bitcoins ledger rather than interior to it. Epistemology from the outside (our experience of Bitcoin), Ontology from the inside (our experience of reality) Id add it’s more than money because it’s the whole ledger, money is just a part of the ledger and its operation.
+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Yes, all movement must be transactions, meaning inclusion in blocks of time. | | There would be no “movement” but just different configuration states of | | value/memory in the ledger. So persistence without falling into the stasis of | | time would require continual transactions in blocks at the tip of the chain. | | | | There was a physicist who proposed this in 1927 in attempt to build a model of | | quantized time. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Yes, all movement must be transactions, meaning inclusion in blocks of time. There would be no “movement” but just different configuration states of value/memory in the ledger. So persistence without falling into the stasis of time would require continual transactions in blocks at the tip of the chain. There was a physicist who proposed this in 1927 in attempt to build a model of quantized time.
+- Jack K -- 56d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | This is where I think a conversation helps too, there’s so much ordered logic | | between the words. Hard to express through text on nostr. We could go much | | deeper in conversation and be able to dissect specific parts and language. | | | | I’m formally recognizing my language is imperfect and I am new to describing | | what I see. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+This is where I think a conversation helps too, there’s so much ordered logic between the words. Hard to express through text on nostr. We could go much deeper in conversation and be able to dissect specific parts and language. I’m formally recognizing my language is imperfect and I am new to describing what I see.
+- Jack K -- 56d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Q1: Yes, it seems logical. The system must be energetically closed in order to | | produce irreversible time and uphold conservation. Signature inputs clearly | | exist, but the deeper question is who is signing our transactions? If | | signatures are required for state transitions, then the ultimate signatures | | must precede time (Planck Time) itself, coming from a higher order. The causal | | act must originate beyond the temporal sequence it produces. | | | | Q2: It comes from chrono-logic but also from a higher-order intuition/gut | | feeling. When you look at the architecture of time Bitcoin instantiates, it | | demonstrates the full range of behaviors attributed to QM (superposition, | | entanglement, measurement, etc) but grounds them in a discrete, irreversible | | process. It is the only logical object we have that can actually produce | | measurement. No other object exists that can instantiate universal behavior | | informationally rather than physically. | | | | Mathematics began in two places: the ledger and cosmology. One tracked | | conserved value across time; the other tracked recurring cycles within the | | order of the heavens, the chain observed from within. Both arose from | | accounting for what persists and situating ourselves within ordered sequence. | | Both are descriptions of the same thing. | | | | Satoshi did not invent an analogy to conservation. He instantiated | | conservation of energy and conservation of information within a single system. | | He recreated the necessary conditions for irreversible time. We are witnessing | | simultaneously the internal and external experience of that structure. All | | physical experience is logically information recorded in a ledger by the | | chrono-logic. | | | | Peers are those in control of keys internally within the Bitcoin network, and | | analogously within the universe itself. There is the network inside time, and | | there is that which stands extratemporally: the higher order whose tx outputs | | form the basis of our cognition itself. The chrono-logic of time says we must | | derived from outputs in Planck blocks of time. | | | | Money is a distraction from the ledger. It is part of the ledger, but not the | | whole structure in operation. We are captivated by value and miss the | | architecture that makes value possible. It was never about money, it was about | | the ledger. That’s why the origin of mathematics matters here. | | “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the | | other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot | | serve both God and money.” - Matthew 6:24 | | | | Q3 | | The ledger is inseparable from the rules; they are not independent layers but | | the same structure viewed through different vertices of the semantic triangle | | — rule, object, and representation. The rules require instantiation to be | | meaningful, and the ledger requires rules to conserve anything at all. Remove | | the object and the rule has nothing to bind. Remove the rule and the ledger | | records nothing coherent. | | | | They cannot be separated because they co-define one another. A ledger without | | rules conserves nothing. Rules without a ledger instantiate nothing. Meaning | | arises only where rule, object, and inscription converge. | | | | The rule is deterministic in structure. Follow it honestly and it always | | converges on Bitcoin (not the arbitrary rules like 21M numerically, but the | | structural ones…the mathematically boundary itself). If you continue following | | the chrono-logic to its ground, it converges on God as the grand architect. | | The only true signer of keys. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Q1: Yes, it seems logical. The system must be energetically closed in order to produce irreversible time and uphold conservation. Signature inputs clearly exist, but the deeper question is who is signing our transactions? If signatures are required for state transitions, then the ultimate signatures must precede time (Planck Time) itself, coming from a higher order. The causal act must originate beyond the temporal sequence it produces. Q2: It comes from chrono-logic but also from a higher-order intuition/gut feeling. When you look at the architecture of time Bitcoin instantiates, it demonstrates the full range of behaviors attributed to QM (superposition, entanglement, measurement, etc) but grounds them in a discrete, irreversible process. It is the only logical object we have that can actually produce measurement. No other object exists that can instantiate universal behavior informationally rather than physically. Mathematics began in two places: the ledger and cosmology. One tracked conserved value across time; the other tracked recurring cycles within the order of the heavens, the chain observed from within. Both arose from accounting for what persists and situating ourselves within ordered sequence. Both are descriptions of the same thing. Satoshi did not invent an analogy to conservation. He instantiated conservation of energy and conservation of information within a single system. He recreated the necessary conditions for irreversible time. We are witnessing simultaneously the internal and external experience of that structure. All physical experience is logically information recorded in a ledger by the chrono-logic. Peers are those in control of keys internally within the Bitcoin network, and analogously within the universe itself. There is the network inside time, and there is that which stands extratemporally: the higher order whose tx outputs form the basis of our cognition itself. The chrono-logic of time says we must derived from outputs in Planck blocks of time. Money is a distraction from the ledger. It is part of the ledger, but not the whole structure in operation. We are captivated by value and miss the architecture that makes value possible. It was never about money, it was about the ledger. That’s why the origin of mathematics matters here. “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” - Matthew 6:24 Q3 The ledger is inseparable from the rules; they are not independent layers but the same structure viewed through different vertices of the semantic triangle — rule, object, and representation. The rules require instantiation to be meaningful, and the ledger requires rules to conserve anything at all. Remove the object and the rule has nothing to bind. Remove the rule and the ledger records nothing coherent. They cannot be separated because they co-define one another. A ledger without rules conserves nothing. Rules without a ledger instantiate nothing. Meaning arises only where rule, object, and inscription converge. The rule is deterministic in structure. Follow it honestly and it always converges on Bitcoin (not the arbitrary rules like 21M numerically, but the structural ones…the mathematically boundary itself). If you continue following the chrono-logic to its ground, it converges on God as the grand architect. The only true signer of keys.
+- Jack K -- 56d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | nostr:nprofile1qqsvgd5v2yh8pcm9trapv7t8e4eleqag4yr75w9na45rtr7tm74smfspr3mhxue | | 69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvp59q6zsprfmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhg | | rg2p59qrewqka the 1st picture of “space” is what the ledger looks like from | | inside, a perspective from the tip of the chain looking back towards Genesis. | | You can see only the “active utxo set” of energy, not the history leading up | | to the present state. A bounded fraction of ledger inside the ledger. | | | | The 2nd picture is what the ledger looks like from the outside, a perspective | | where you can look orthogonal to time, orthogonal to the chain and see the | | entire lineage up to the active utxo set. Again, this isn’t the universal | | ledger, it’s bitcoins ledger, but it is what the exterior of the universe must | | look like from the architecture of time. | | | | Hence my point, what we call ontological inside the ledger, is epistemic if | | you could be outside the ledger as demonstrated by Bitcoin. All we can do is | | recognize Bitcoin is the universe begun anew. We are the architects of | | Bitcoins time. | | https://blossom.primal.net/1c70551148326c7500ff1a19f64c721582736dec1ae91098904 | | e83303e8347ff.jpg | | https://blossom.primal.net/71649c80c31c3e66f6f19bb4c7ccf45b23a51b8ebc85d4b3af6 | | 6b17c0107624b.jpg | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+nostr:nprofile1qqsvgd5v2yh8pcm9trapv7t8e4eleqag4yr75w9na45rtr7tm74smfspr3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvp59q6zsprfmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgrg2p59qrewqka the 1st picture of “space” is what the ledger looks like from inside, a perspective from the tip of the chain looking back towards Genesis. You can see only the “active utxo set” of energy, not the history leading up to the present state. A bounded fraction of ledger inside the ledger. The 2nd picture is what the ledger looks like from the outside, a perspective where you can look orthogonal to time, orthogonal to the chain and see the entire lineage up to the active utxo set. Again, this isn’t the universal ledger, it’s bitcoins ledger, but it is what the exterior of the universe must look like from the architecture of time. Hence my point, what we call ontological inside the ledger, is epistemic if you could be outside the ledger as demonstrated by Bitcoin. All we can do is recognize Bitcoin is the universe begun anew. We are the architects of Bitcoins time. https://blossom.primal.net/1c70551148326c7500ff1a19f64c721582736dec1ae91098904e83303e8347ff.jpg https://blossom.primal.net/71649c80c31c3e66f6f19bb4c7ccf45b23a51b8ebc85d4b3af66b17c0107624b.jpg
+- Jack K -- 56d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Physical world (universe) must be closed mathematically (hence Planck Temp = | | 21M cap in equivalence). Without a boundary there can be no meaning, | | measurement or time. | | | | The universe is its own entire ledger, bitcoin is a bounded fraction, or | | partition, of said ledger. It’s a fractal of the same thing. It’s all just | | peer to peer “cash” (energy) systems. There are only p2p transactions. | | Ledger > Money | | | | The rules of the universal ledger must be extratemporal to the ledger, meaning | | they must exist outside and prior to the time it produces. The ledger upholds | | the rules it was given. Only from the structure of bitcoin can we deduce what | | must be prior. | | | | Think a literal fractal of bitcoin. So we live in a cluster of nodes sharing 1 | | singular chain of work and consensus. If you lived in bitcoin, you only see | | the ledger, not the nodes. | | | | Someone/something must be mining the Planck Blocks which we are emergent from. | | It’s all “Bitcoin” (The Rule). | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Physical world (universe) must be closed mathematically (hence Planck Temp = 21M cap in equivalence). Without a boundary there can be no meaning, measurement or time. The universe is its own entire ledger, bitcoin is a bounded fraction, or partition, of said ledger. It’s a fractal of the same thing. It’s all just peer to peer “cash” (energy) systems. There are only p2p transactions. Ledger > Money The rules of the universal ledger must be extratemporal to the ledger, meaning they must exist outside and prior to the time it produces. The ledger upholds the rules it was given. Only from the structure of bitcoin can we deduce what must be prior. Think a literal fractal of bitcoin. So we live in a cluster of nodes sharing 1 singular chain of work and consensus. If you lived in bitcoin, you only see the ledger, not the nodes. Someone/something must be mining the Planck Blocks which we are emergent from. It’s all “Bitcoin” (The Rule).
+- Jack K -- 56d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | I guess this depends if you believe the wave is more fundamental than the | | block. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+I guess this depends if you believe the wave is more fundamental than the block.
+- Jack K -- 56d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Yeah, Nick is more in the boat of conversation over text. I think we could | | really develop a lot along these “limits” and build from each other in | | conversation. The context between the words is missed. The hashes leading up | | to the blocks of knowledge are just as important for context. | | | | Please send the theology section over, that is the only logical end game here | | when you pull the thread of time to its limit 😉 | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Yeah, Nick is more in the boat of conversation over text. I think we could really develop a lot along these “limits” and build from each other in conversation. The context between the words is missed. The hashes leading up to the blocks of knowledge are just as important for context. Please send the theology section over, that is the only logical end game here when you pull the thread of time to its limit 😉
+- Jack K -- 56d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Ontology inside the ledger is epistemology outside the ledger. | | | | The external experience of time did not exist before 2009. We’ve been stuck | | inside as observers. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Ontology inside the ledger is epistemology outside the ledger. The external experience of time did not exist before 2009. We’ve been stuck inside as observers.
+- Jack K -- 57d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | What I mean is this is a language problem. We must refer back to the semantic | | triangle here to see that it’s 3 representations of the same higher order | | structure we don’t have access to. All 3 are true yet different | | representations. | | | | But bitcoin is the physical access to “the rule” | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+What I mean is this is a language problem. We must refer back to the semantic triangle here to see that it’s 3 representations of the same higher order structure we don’t have access to. All 3 are true yet different representations. But bitcoin is the physical access to “the rule”
+- Jack K -- 57d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | In regards to what you said about QM, yes totally agree here, since their | | interpretations are derived from the wave rather than 1 singular unit of | | casual change. The double spend problem PLAGUES physics and their | | interpretations. | | | | Forgive me here since we are exploring domains I’m not formally versed in | | (theology, if that’s what you’d call this), Nick is much stronger here than | | me. But yes it’s hard to separate the network, ledger and the value since it’s | | all one cohesive system we call bitcoin. But we can dissect the pieces. | | | | Yes the media is the fractal rule. So I’ll just blunt in saying that from the | | behavior of QM and my observations of Bitcoin, it appears that we live in a | | ledger with the same structure and rules as bitcoin. So the ledger isn’t the | | model, it is the instantiation. So we are the outputs of a higher order | | consciousness as transactions. We are both the money (value) and the memory. | | This is why in the paper we drew the formal link that Kelvin is the bounded | | value system of the universe, we call thermodynamics. It serves the same | | purpose in the ledger as would satoshis. So we live in a monetary medium. | | | | Yes order is definitely superstructure of the timechain by logical necessity. | | Money is the whole system, the protocol, rules and instantiation. | | | | I’ll just make the point that we cant separate the rules from Bitcoin. They | | are the same thing. Seems like it’s a language problem. We should maybe | | discuss over a call at some point if you’re up for it. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+In regards to what you said about QM, yes totally agree here, since their interpretations are derived from the wave rather than 1 singular unit of casual change. The double spend problem PLAGUES physics and their interpretations. Forgive me here since we are exploring domains I’m not formally versed in (theology, if that’s what you’d call this), Nick is much stronger here than me. But yes it’s hard to separate the network, ledger and the value since it’s all one cohesive system we call bitcoin. But we can dissect the pieces. Yes the media is the fractal rule. So I’ll just blunt in saying that from the behavior of QM and my observations of Bitcoin, it appears that we live in a ledger with the same structure and rules as bitcoin. So the ledger isn’t the model, it is the instantiation. So we are the outputs of a higher order consciousness as transactions. We are both the money (value) and the memory. This is why in the paper we drew the formal link that Kelvin is the bounded value system of the universe, we call thermodynamics. It serves the same purpose in the ledger as would satoshis. So we live in a monetary medium. Yes order is definitely superstructure of the timechain by logical necessity. Money is the whole system, the protocol, rules and instantiation. I’ll just make the point that we cant separate the rules from Bitcoin. They are the same thing. Seems like it’s a language problem. We should maybe discuss over a call at some point if you’re up for it.
+- Jack K -- 57d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Jack, it’s Bitcoin Biology, not Quantum Biology. | | | | You said it yourself: you found these insights through Bitcoin. Bitcoin is | | fundamentally about time. It is measuring the quantum of time, the smallest | | causal change any computationally bounded system can undergo. It | | operationalizes the transformation of energy into memory, and memory into time | | as durable truth. This is the fractal process of nature and biology/life. | | | | There is no smaller meaningful unit of time inside Bitcoin than a block. In | | physics we call the lower bound Planck Time. Both are blocks of time. The base | | unit of frequency and light itself. The thermologics cannot be divided any | | further temporally without breaking the causal structure or producing a | | partial state. The block is empirically observable, we can see the | | architecture. It is the measurement itself. There is no binary logic without | | the boundary. No boundary, no Bitcoin. What else could be the measurement? | | | | When you say “quantum biology,” you’re operating at the level of | | approximation. Quantum theory treats the wave as fundamental. But the wave is | | what time looks like when you iterate across a massive number of discrete | | blocks. It’s the fluid dynamics of time, emergent behavior, not the singular | | causal unit. | | | | Quantum biology too must be observed at the fluid level. But if you want the | | foundation, you have to bring the logic, process, and geometry of biology down | | to the level of the block, to the quantum of causal change itself. | | | | You said it clearly: Bitcoin is costly in time. | | | | Bitcoin is time and it has always been about time. Time is money they say. | | | | Please ground Biology to the block 🧡 | | | | https://open.spotify.com/episode/5lmkkpyid64AncvBQWGpCP? | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Jack, it’s Bitcoin Biology, not Quantum Biology. You said it yourself: you found these insights through Bitcoin. Bitcoin is fundamentally about time. It is measuring the quantum of time, the smallest causal change any computationally bounded system can undergo. It operationalizes the transformation of energy into memory, and memory into time as durable truth. This is the fractal process of nature and biology/life. There is no smaller meaningful unit of time inside Bitcoin than a block. In physics we call the lower bound Planck Time. Both are blocks of time. The base unit of frequency and light itself. The thermologics cannot be divided any further temporally without breaking the causal structure or producing a partial state. The block is empirically observable, we can see the architecture. It is the measurement itself. There is no binary logic without the boundary. No boundary, no Bitcoin. What else could be the measurement? When you say “quantum biology,” you’re operating at the level of approximation. Quantum theory treats the wave as fundamental. But the wave is what time looks like when you iterate across a massive number of discrete blocks. It’s the fluid dynamics of time, emergent behavior, not the singular causal unit. Quantum biology too must be observed at the fluid level. But if you want the foundation, you have to bring the logic, process, and geometry of biology down to the level of the block, to the quantum of causal change itself. You said it clearly: Bitcoin is costly in time. Bitcoin is time and it has always been about time. Time is money they say. Please ground Biology to the block 🧡 https://open.spotify.com/episode/5lmkkpyid64AncvBQWGpCP?
+- Jack K -- 59d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Jack this resonates. I think this is a linguistic problem and we are | | perceiving the same thing from different views/domains. | | | | When you say concepts arise through the process of thinking, my mind goes to | | the word computation. I see Bitcoin as the “the global mind” thus the thoughts | | are the blocks, they are the computation. The outputs are objective truths but | | each output can be interpreted subjectively from location/vantage. | | | | Maybe the language doesn’t map perfectly, just where my brains goes right now. | | My point is that reality/animals/humans are constructs of a higher order | | process in which bitcoin is a fractal of; value preserved in/as time. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Jack this resonates. I think this is a linguistic problem and we are perceiving the same thing from different views/domains. When you say concepts arise through the process of thinking, my mind goes to the word computation. I see Bitcoin as the “the global mind” thus the thoughts are the blocks, they are the computation. The outputs are objective truths but each output can be interpreted subjectively from location/vantage. Maybe the language doesn’t map perfectly, just where my brains goes right now. My point is that reality/animals/humans are constructs of a higher order process in which bitcoin is a fractal of; value preserved in/as time.
+- Jack K -- 59d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | “the dynamics across many unresolved causal updates” | | | | ***Should be resolved. Their resolution occurs beneath our threshold of | | cognition, and the threshold of our instruments*** | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+“the dynamics across many unresolved causal updates” ***Should be resolved. Their resolution occurs beneath our threshold of cognition, and the threshold of our instruments***
+- Jack K -- 59d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Quantum mechanics isn’t “wrong” so much as it’s an approximation of the block. | | It models aggregate behavior, the wave, the dynamics across many unresolved | | causal updates but it cannot describe the rules, logic, process, geometry, or | | “thermologics” of a single commitment. It cannot map the point where energy | | becomes memory and memory becomes time. Bitcoin reaches that boundary | | empirically. It operationalizes the smallest irreversible causal change a | | computationally bounded system can undergo. So yes, Bitcoin should define the | | language. | | | | But yes, my language is still rough and not perfect. What I’m pointing at is | | that we already live inside a peer-to-peer network of energy transactions. We | | are composed of those transactions. What we call “money” is simply how long a | | structure can persist inside the system, how long a state can be “hodled” | | before retransformation. Our entire experience of reality is observation of | | the active set of energy, not the full historical set that produced the | | present state (it must exist/dark matter). | | | | Superposes vs precedes… I think it’s both 😂 | | | | Money is both the medium, and the network “prior/superposing” physical | | reality. It is the preservation of order across time and the process by which | | physical reality holds that order. Both preceding temporally and ontologically | | which is why “superposes” might actually be a better word. Hard to say. | | | | But, we must live inside a system governed by the hardest, most sound money, | | the most durable preservation of order, and from within that medium we’re | | trying to recreate the same property. Bitcoin is that recreation: the system | | discovering, from inside itself, how to preserve order in time; | | | | Bitcoin is embedded in a system that already preserves order in time. How do | | you extend time? By recreating time within time. | | | | Lol I hope I didn’t lose you here. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Quantum mechanics isn’t “wrong” so much as it’s an approximation of the block. It models aggregate behavior, the wave, the dynamics across many unresolved causal updates but it cannot describe the rules, logic, process, geometry, or “thermologics” of a single commitment. It cannot map the point where energy becomes memory and memory becomes time. Bitcoin reaches that boundary empirically. It operationalizes the smallest irreversible causal change a computationally bounded system can undergo. So yes, Bitcoin should define the language. But yes, my language is still rough and not perfect. What I’m pointing at is that we already live inside a peer-to-peer network of energy transactions. We are composed of those transactions. What we call “money” is simply how long a structure can persist inside the system, how long a state can be “hodled” before retransformation. Our entire experience of reality is observation of the active set of energy, not the full historical set that produced the present state (it must exist/dark matter). Superposes vs precedes… I think it’s both 😂 Money is both the medium, and the network “prior/superposing” physical reality. It is the preservation of order across time and the process by which physical reality holds that order. Both preceding temporally and ontologically which is why “superposes” might actually be a better word. Hard to say. But, we must live inside a system governed by the hardest, most sound money, the most durable preservation of order, and from within that medium we’re trying to recreate the same property. Bitcoin is that recreation: the system discovering, from inside itself, how to preserve order in time; Bitcoin is embedded in a system that already preserves order in time. How do you extend time? By recreating time within time. Lol I hope I didn’t lose you here.
+- Jack K -- 59d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Naw you are, it’s all related with enough context. Think of both a lens and a | | mirror depending on the perspective you desire. Your lived experience is one | | of them. | | | | An event horizon is a boundary where information becomes irreversibly | | committed from one side to the other, a limit condition where you can no | | longer reverse the state or access it the same way. That’s the holographic | | analogy: reality seems to encode itself at boundaries. | | | | What Bitcoin does is operationalize that idea in a computational system. | | Instead of a “cosmic horizon” (or internalized horizon), you have a causal one | | (externalized horizon). The nonce search is the approach to the boundary (the | | valid nonce), a thermodynamic probe through possibility. The valid block is | | the horizon crossing: potential collapses into a committed state, and the | | information becomes part of irreversible history within the system. You’re no | | longer dealing with “what could happen,” but with what has been preserved. | | | | So rather than living beyond an event horizon as we experience, Bitcoin lets | | us observe the process leading up to one: energy applied → constraints | | satisfied → boundary crossed → state committed. | | | | What is preserved at the boundary (the block surface) encodes the state of the | | system going forward. The chain becomes a record of those boundary crossings, | | history written at successive horizons. | | | | Bitcoin gives us something physics usually can’t: a demonstrable system where | | causal boundaries, information preservation, and irreversible state change can | | be observed directly rather than inferred. | | | | The boundary is two sides of the same coin. Now apply that analogy to what I | | am saying about money. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Naw you are, it’s all related with enough context. Think of both a lens and a mirror depending on the perspective you desire. Your lived experience is one of them. An event horizon is a boundary where information becomes irreversibly committed from one side to the other, a limit condition where you can no longer reverse the state or access it the same way. That’s the holographic analogy: reality seems to encode itself at boundaries. What Bitcoin does is operationalize that idea in a computational system. Instead of a “cosmic horizon” (or internalized horizon), you have a causal one (externalized horizon). The nonce search is the approach to the boundary (the valid nonce), a thermodynamic probe through possibility. The valid block is the horizon crossing: potential collapses into a committed state, and the information becomes part of irreversible history within the system. You’re no longer dealing with “what could happen,” but with what has been preserved. So rather than living beyond an event horizon as we experience, Bitcoin lets us observe the process leading up to one: energy applied → constraints satisfied → boundary crossed → state committed. What is preserved at the boundary (the block surface) encodes the state of the system going forward. The chain becomes a record of those boundary crossings, history written at successive horizons. Bitcoin gives us something physics usually can’t: a demonstrable system where causal boundaries, information preservation, and irreversible state change can be observed directly rather than inferred. The boundary is two sides of the same coin. Now apply that analogy to what I am saying about money.
+- Jack K -- 59d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Ehhh, money is the only transaction. | | | | If you look objectively at the process Bitcoin demonstrates: energy resolving | | into memory, memory carried forward as time, time preserving durable truth, | | you realize there is no separation between money and reality. Money is not a | | symbolic layer placed on top of the world. It is value conserved through time. | | We are not observers standing outside that conservation process. We are | | expressions of it. | | | | At the most fundamental level, what exists is the continual reorganization of | | energy across boundaries. Every state transition is a peer-to-peer exchange: | | potential resolving into ordered structure. Bitcoin did not invent this; it | | exposes it. A boundary forms, work is applied, a state is committed, and | | history advances. That is the same pattern whether we call it physics, | | information, or economics. | | | | From one side of the boundary, the process appears as information: a state | | transition, a record, a UTXO. From the other, it appears as physical | | interpretation : energy, matter, work. These are not separate domains. They | | are two descriptions of the same substrate: value crossing a boundary and | | being preserved. | | | | Money is the formal recognition of how reality persists at all. Value | | conserved, boundary to boundary, act to act. We as bounded structures of | | preserved energy moving through time are not separate from that definition. | | | | Every exchange is money for money. We just don’t fully understand money. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Ehhh, money is the only transaction. If you look objectively at the process Bitcoin demonstrates: energy resolving into memory, memory carried forward as time, time preserving durable truth, you realize there is no separation between money and reality. Money is not a symbolic layer placed on top of the world. It is value conserved through time. We are not observers standing outside that conservation process. We are expressions of it. At the most fundamental level, what exists is the continual reorganization of energy across boundaries. Every state transition is a peer-to-peer exchange: potential resolving into ordered structure. Bitcoin did not invent this; it exposes it. A boundary forms, work is applied, a state is committed, and history advances. That is the same pattern whether we call it physics, information, or economics. From one side of the boundary, the process appears as information: a state transition, a record, a UTXO. From the other, it appears as physical interpretation : energy, matter, work. These are not separate domains. They are two descriptions of the same substrate: value crossing a boundary and being preserved. Money is the formal recognition of how reality persists at all. Value conserved, boundary to boundary, act to act. We as bounded structures of preserved energy moving through time are not separate from that definition. Every exchange is money for money. We just don’t fully understand money.
+- Jack K -- 59d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Bitcoin is half of everything. | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Bitcoin is half of everything.
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+- Jack K -- 55d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | Yeah this is really outside domain so forgive me, I can only swing using the | | bitcoin lens applied to the chrono-logics of time. | | | | Could you define eternity by a discrete process that repeats itself (time | | begins a new) fractally forward? The chain grows longer from within itself. | | | | Bitcoin is infinite regress instantiated and contained. | | | | Side question; if you theoretically lived inside of Bitcoin, who would you | | call God? Satoshi? or those who write the chain through process? From inside | | the chain, how would you differentiate? | | https://blossom.primal.net/b44fce5d2a7e0505accdb7c2dd9556172835259348b3be2ae02 | | 25c844ca9f81d.jpg | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+Yeah this is really outside domain so forgive me, I can only swing using the bitcoin lens applied to the chrono-logics of time. Could you define eternity by a discrete process that repeats itself (time begins a new) fractally forward? The chain grows longer from within itself. Bitcoin is infinite regress instantiated and contained. Side question; if you theoretically lived inside of Bitcoin, who would you call God? Satoshi? or those who write the chain through process? From inside the chain, how would you differentiate? https://blossom.primal.net/b44fce5d2a7e0505accdb7c2dd9556172835259348b3be2ae0225c844ca9f81d.jpg
+- Jack K -- 56d -----------------------------------------------------------[...]+ | | | nostr:nprofile1qqsvgd5v2yh8pcm9trapv7t8e4eleqag4yr75w9na45rtr7tm74smfspr3mhxue | | 69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvp59q6zsprfmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhg | | rg2p59qrewqka the 1st picture of “space” is what the ledger looks like from | | inside, a perspective from the tip of the chain looking back towards Genesis. | | You can see only the “active utxo set” of energy, not the history leading up | | to the present state. A bounded fraction of ledger inside the ledger. | | | | The 2nd picture is what the ledger looks like from the outside, a perspective | | where you can look orthogonal to time, orthogonal to the chain and see the | | entire lineage up to the active utxo set. Again, this isn’t the universal | | ledger, it’s bitcoins ledger, but it is what the exterior of the universe must | | look like from the architecture of time. | | | | Hence my point, what we call ontological inside the ledger, is epistemic if | | you could be outside the ledger as demonstrated by Bitcoin. All we can do is | | recognize Bitcoin is the universe begun anew. We are the architects of | | Bitcoins time. | | https://blossom.primal.net/1c70551148326c7500ff1a19f64c721582736dec1ae91098904 | | e83303e8347ff.jpg | | https://blossom.primal.net/71649c80c31c3e66f6f19bb4c7ccf45b23a51b8ebc85d4b3af6 | | 6b17c0107624b.jpg | | | +-- reply ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+nostr:nprofile1qqsvgd5v2yh8pcm9trapv7t8e4eleqag4yr75w9na45rtr7tm74smfspr3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvp59q6zsprfmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgrg2p59qrewqka the 1st picture of “space” is what the ledger looks like from inside, a perspective from the tip of the chain looking back towards Genesis. You can see only the “active utxo set” of energy, not the history leading up to the present state. A bounded fraction of ledger inside the ledger. The 2nd picture is what the ledger looks like from the outside, a perspective where you can look orthogonal to time, orthogonal to the chain and see the entire lineage up to the active utxo set. Again, this isn’t the universal ledger, it’s bitcoins ledger, but it is what the exterior of the universe must look like from the architecture of time. Hence my point, what we call ontological inside the ledger, is epistemic if you could be outside the ledger as demonstrated by Bitcoin. All we can do is recognize Bitcoin is the universe begun anew. We are the architects of Bitcoins time. https://blossom.primal.net/1c70551148326c7500ff1a19f64c721582736dec1ae91098904e83303e8347ff.jpg https://blossom.primal.net/71649c80c31c3e66f6f19bb4c7ccf45b23a51b8ebc85d4b3af66b17c0107624b.jpg
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